3 interviews and hoping I don’t hear from 2 of them…

I got 3 calls/emails on Monday for interviews. That in itself was pretty positive.

I participated in all 3 interviews; here is what happened:

Interview #1: Wholesale company; money was great. I can’t figure out whether the manager (a very young guy) didn’t know what to ask or whether he had no interest in me.

The job was for an office manager. Turns out that the job concentrates heavily on ap/ar and collections.

He said he’d contact me this weekend “either way” if I got the job or not. Great.

Interview #2: a manufacturer. Owned by 2 guys and has been in business for 25 years.

It’s office work — ad was kind of spotty — but turns out they want a heavy concentration of QUickbooks.

They are also paying only $15 and there is no health insurance. Paid holidays off, paid vacation but no HI.

They also want to see 3 more people and they want to hold second interviews. This would be a sit down for QB and also to meet with a third guy involved in the business.

Currently there is a college kid who is employed in the position that’s now open. She is resigning.

Interview #3: a printer/manufacturer. Staffed by very very young personnel. Nobody there is over 30 years of age. This too pays $15 an hour and I do not think it is a real admin assistant job — the staff is young and I will bet the “admin” will wind up doing different work; not a one of these young people know what an admin assistant is or what that person does. This won’t be a real admin job per se.

There is also no health insuarance there, either. The very young “HR” person who spoke to me told me the employees voted on either bonuses or HI and guess which they picked.

The company is doing about 50M in business and marketing a year yet they cannot spare the salary. Don’t ask me what I think of that.

They started out 4 years ago with 5 people and now have over 250 employees. They are looking to hire 3 admins and about 100 more people for the manufacturing part of the business.

Yet they can’t pay a livable wage for an admin.

Supposed to decide next week who gets that job.

I have not heard back from Company #2. I suspect i won’t be hearing from them at all, or Company #3 and in which case they are doing me a favor.

$15 an hour? WIth taxes deducted and $100 per week that I am paying for my own health insurance (close to $400 a month out of my own pocket), gas money to get there and the infamous fiscal cliff — what will I have left at the end of a week — maybe $350???

Which is why I am hoping I don’t hear from the second 2 companies I interviewed with.

I have not heard anything from Company #1 or Company #2. We have a horrible snow storm brewing out there and I am certain both companies have sent their employees home already. In which case I’d say the decision should have been made.

I am too old for this shit. Maybe I am better off with my own business.

This kills me, it really does — they act like YOU have nothing to do but sit home by your phone, email or whatever is is and wait for a message FROM THEM.  For all the 3 of you know, perhaps I already got another offer. Perhaps I already have a full schedule all next week for interviews and such. How do you know?

I also got the direct message from 2 of the interviewers that my art might interfere with THEIR job!  Why? Because I said I participate in shows and occasionally sell my work??? Fuckall. From now on, I do not mention I am an artist of any kind. That’s the end of that.

19 thoughts on “3 interviews and hoping I don’t hear from 2 of them…”

  1. I’d be interested to know the proposition that was voted on was when they voted for health insurance or a fully-taxable bonus. It’s entirely possible that the health insurance was really lousy (high cost or high deductibles that made it useless for anything other than catastrophic care), so a bonus of $1000 looked really good by comparison. If you have a very young workforce, they are less concerned with health insurance.

    In my experience, the only thing that gets positions filled quickly is a pending hiring freeze that is expected to last for a period of months. If you get another job, it’s their loss, and most companies are willing to take that chance.

  2. In my opinion, you will not get a second interview for any of these jobs. In this economy, based on my experience in other ‘bad’ economies, the jobs either go to people with connections or do not really exist. We are in a ‘purple squirrel ‘economy so any attempt to get a job is really a ‘long shot’ for anyone, especially someone over 35 years old. Do not take it personally because only when I stopped taking it personally was I able to remain sane.

  3. Thank God I did not hear from them.

    And I think I also got a gift from the gods: 2 of the interviewers made that coment about my art interfering — is it at all possible that a great many of the rest of the interviewers thought the same thing??

    From now on I say I am temping or that I did something else — nothing at all that would “carry over” into their dumb job.

    What kills me about both these jobs:

    They ASSUMED that I would more or less “do my own business” on their time. Are you kidding??? they can see I’m an adult who has been in the workforce for years — if this is what you are assuming then that does not say much for either of you. I do not want to work for your company.

    How dare you think it, let alone verbalize it.

    And the second company has been in business for over 30 years and they are making a pretty penny from each item they produce — and they are paying slave wage and no health insurance? These people are pigs and nothing more.

    For that $15 and no benefits: he could have made up a flier and put one in their window and taken another couple and headed down the block to where a Dunkin Donuts was and posted it there: let him hire a very local person who doesn’t care that it’s $15/hr and no benefits: a housewife that’s local or a local retiree would do it. Or let him hire another student — that’s what he’s got right now and she’s resigning. A full grown person like me who is self supporting? NOPE. Not enough money for me.

    The both of them are pigs, for saying what they said. Just think of what other kind of rules exist over there, if this is what I, a lowly job candidate, got from them!

    And you are a pig if you cannot send an email by 5pm Friday to tell me “Thanks but no.” Period.

    As for the third company — the one where the kids voted on HI — this is a 50M marketing company with worldwide offices. You can’t pay 45K market rate for an admin? Don’t ask me what I think of that. This is more slave labor and more pigs runnng and owning the place.

  4. Trolling for applicants might explain the poorness of the interviewers. If they aren’t serious about hiring anyone unless the applicant has the right pedigree or other non-job related qualifications, like having attended Penn State in some parts of Pennsylvania. they’re just going through the motions.

    Suppose that you can keep a college student in the job for six months for $15 an hour. Chances are that the college student is a lot more interested in flexible hours if they are studying full-time than benefits. If you’re willing to deal with some disarray while you refill the job, that’s $15K that you save annually. That’s the choice: pay low wages and deal with turnover, or hire someone at a market rate. Very little in an office needs to be done RIGHT NOW, though deadlines have to be met, so more and more companies are willing to deal with not getting some work done right away.

    Another factor that you might be ignoring is that ever since personal computers have been in the office, more and more administrative work has been pushed back onto other members of the staff, most of whom are better-paid than the admin. Anything that a person can do themselves fairly easily will not be valued highly in terms of pay. I’ve been watching the admin field die over the last 30 years. When you factor in the cost of benefits, it’s in the interest of the company to hire as few admins as possible, paying them poorly, and pushing the work back onto staff to the maximum extent possible. Compared to 30 years ago, no more than half as many admins are being hired or are on the rolls of companies.

  5. I hate to say it but you are probably “too old” especially for the last two jobs. I never thought at 42 I would be considered too old but have employers either say it directly or hint at it. I also wish I can say I am surprised those companies mentioned your art but have had employers flat out tell me if they hire me I have to stop doing freelance work.

  6. I don’t give a damn about any of these places now.

    What got me was that these 3 employers already had me doing something that i woule NEVER dream of doing. So what does that say about what they think of me?

    No thanks to their jobs.

    The third place is full of kids. An environment like that will always attract the under 25s and under 30s.

    Also mind blowing: it is a very very good possibility that a great many potential employers firgured “She could restart the freelance business she had and leave us!” and blammo, there went being hired at their job. So if many, or even ALL, of the employers had this mindset, then what have I done for this entire time but waste my time; I might as well have not looked for a job at all, then.

    When you have everybody turning you down, something is fishy indeed — and I consider the revelation from 3 people last week —3 potential employers in a row! — a gift from the gods. But still, how DARE you even think that thought, let alone say it. That isn’t saying much about the employer and what he or she wants. How interested are you in me, then? I can also leave at any time for any one of a trillion reasons, if you hire me — and none of the reasons have to do with revitalizing a freelance art business. So who’s nuts here? it’s THEM and not us. Nothing new here.

    Cut the paranoia and the silliness and hire US. That’s where it’s at.

  7. People who worry about your success in a freelance business don’t really understand what is involved. It’s not like you cold call people all day long and ask if you can fulfill their cartooning needs.

    I have to admit to some bias and potential misunderstanding here. I have a friend who weaves baskets and fabrics (everything ranging from placemat to bedspread size) to sell at art shows. She has at least three different looms and a couple of spinning wheels. My guess is that your approach is somewhat like hers: make a certain number of examples that can be sold immediately, but be available for custom work when people see what you can do. There are a couple of practical reasons to work this way: you can make only so much and don’t want to waste materials on inventory, and when you sell at art shows, you’re limited to what can go on and under a table (and what you have stashed in your car).

    There is a certain bias against single, childless women in the workplace. Sensible employers would love them, because there are no children to worry about and drama tends to be at a low level in their lives. Of course, there is the “something must be wrong with them” factor once a woman reaches a certain age and the nicest thing that is said of you is that they make fun of your cat.

  8. There is definitely a bias against single childless women in the work place because employers think if you are of childbearing age that you will quit to have babies but if you are older and still single they wonder if they are so great why didn’t a man marry her? I’m still of child bearing age (though sadly in the more advanced ages)and look young for my age and have employers ask me if I want a maternity plan or will indirectly ask if I plan to have kids. I just say I have no idea because I don’t know either way but even so it’s not their business. Women I know who are post menopausal and childless are judged as well except oddly by other childless people. That’s the one good thing I liked about my former employer. My boss (I liked him)was childless but married the second in charge was 55 childless and never married (a man)and most of my coworkers were also childless and quite a few were single.

  9. So what do they want, then??

    There seems to be something wrong with “every candidate, ” then.

    Has kids, will have kids, engaged and potential to have kids right away (I was asked that question at an interview when i was engaged), too old and no kids, too old and probably has grandkids, too this or too that or a potential for ______________.

    This is no longer the search for who is the best qualified. This is a wild goose chase for God only knows what.

    Just too close for comfort that all 3 of these potential employers voiced the same *concern*.

    And what, are they kidding? I can see if I said that in a year I planned on going full time with my art — then yes, they have every right to say that you’re eliminated as a candidate because they want somebody there for the long run.,

    Awhile back when I was still taking some college classes, I got a call from a gent that owned a business; I answered his ad for an office manager. He told me he was interested in having me come in for an interview.

    Naturally we made small talk and he asked me what I was doing with my down time. I told him i ws taking classes at a local community college. I told him that I had only taken a few classes and what I was interested in as a job field would take me too long to complete classes and that because of that, I stopped taking classes at the community college.

    He immediately stopped the phone interview and said “I will call you next week to see where I can schedule you; thank you” and hung up.

    I never heard from him again.

    The message i got: “You are going to be entering another field snd when you finish school, you will be leaving here so what good are you to me if I hire you right now?”

    What I got last week at each of those interviews is nearly identical to what transpired in the example I just gave. Now that I know what it is that is *the problem*, let’s see what happens. Waiting for the next interview to find out.

  10. What do they want? I wish I knew because I often find out who got the job over me and I have to ask why. Many of the jobs went to recent college graduates and many others went to foreign workers (including someone who could barely speak English).

    Get this my next door neighbor’s son has been in and out of prison for 10 years. He is a 4 times convicted thief among other things. Yet a factory gave him a chance because “he deserved a second chance while they rejected people without criminal records”. Looks like he got caught stealing again and I have been told the cops are watching him because they suspect him in a string of robberies. Yet he had a job but I and you among others don’t.

  11. If places just hired people on competence, I imagine every one here would be in a high paying job. But, they hire on personality and that limits people like us. It also leads to a less productive economy. It is very hard to hire competent people nowadays because people are screened by psych tests, and not competence tests. Also, technology destroys jobs and age/generational culture eliminates older workers (over 35 years old) from the running for living income jobs. I have experienced this firsthand. I used to blame myself for my lack of success, but now I know I am part of a much bigger trend. Arguably, we in our 40’s and older are the first large scale disposable generation. Too young and poor to retire, and too old to hire. We could just disappear, and the world would (except for the few really necessary people in our generation) hardly even notice. Sad, but true.

  12. I should have been a detective.

    Most of the time these monkeys give themselves away in five minutes flat, like last month’s horrendously old and out of touch turnip who demanded steno.

    He blew it, really, within the first 5 minutes of the phone call, as did this bunch blow it within 10 minutes of the interview beginning.

    And the second that first guy said “I am a little worried” I should have ENDED his worries and ended the interview, said goodbye and went out the door. He had his mind made up; no amount of reassurance from you will change his mind, or change the mind of the other 2, either.

  13. Barbsright, on the mark. I know part of my problem is I am somewhat of an introvert. I am not really very outgoing and while I try to hide it in interviews apparently it shows up in psych tests. I personally think psych tests are complete bs and they screen out people who are somewhat quiet and shy to keep those who aren’t. I asked one time the guy near my house who runs the pet store why he started a business and he mentioned this in passing. He is even shyer than I am (in fact our combined shyness is why neither one of us has made the move to go out though it appears we like each other)and there is no way with his shyness he’d be hired. Not to mention he is 50 and sadly over 35 is considered old. I was on Linked In awhile back and this HR manager was telling us in the forum that his boss would tell him not to hire anyone over 35 because they don’t know technology. The fact is I keep up with the latest trends and so do many people.

    I do question the hiring practices of employers and why some aren’t even called for interviews. Like my last interview, why was I called for the job I was overqualified for while being ignored for the others?

  14. Once upon a time, it was common for employers to ask candidates about their hobbies and other off-the-job interests. Besides making small talk, it has practical uses: an opportunity for the candidate to speak about something that genuinely interests him, and a chance to learn about the candidate’s skills that may not be immediately critical to his employment, but nonetheless useful. And candidates were expected to have some kind of off-the-job interest, even if it was something modest, like reading or taking pictures of one’s children.

    Today, nobody asks about hobbies, because it’s politically incorrect and could expose one to liability issues. (I’m not sure how I’d react to a candidate who told me that he was a gangsta rapper in his off-hours.) Moreover, when you take a full-time job,the modern expectation is that your employer owns you.

    As far as being an introvert, that’s a subject for a my next post….

  15. I’m not sure, because I have been asked my interests in interviews and a sneaky thing employers do is screen out candidates by interests they deem “old”.

  16. Wow.

    I can name you MANY *old* hobbies: photography, sewing, cooking, painting — just about everything.

    So what hobby is “new”??? Maybe gangsta rap, anime and developing apps?

    I keep coming back to this: THIS is what it’s been, why I’ve been here all these weeks — these people think my art will take precedence over their job??? or I’ll leave to reboot a freelance business full time???

    Be glad these 3 gave themselves away; now I know what the deal is. And it’s fixable.

  17. Apparently mentioning you are on social media is what you are supposed to say is a hobby. I’m not even sure what hobbies are considered old anymore. I mean I play video games, read, listen to music, do logic puzzles (just got a huge supply of these for my birthday) are these”old” hobbies? How about the fact my mom s going to teach me quilting, this is probably an “old” hobby. I have had employers ask me what music I listen to as a way to screen out old people but this makes no sense since I know teens into 1950’s-1960’s music and I also like many of today’s singers (ok, not that many but a few).

  18. It’s amazing to consider that not that long ago, people conducted job interviews in order to find personnel to hire, rather than the empty theatre that it seems to be now.

    For my part, I’m suspicious of social media. It seems a step toward the Big Brother surveillance society in that it encourages people to rat on themselves. So I don’t Face and I don’t Twit. (Blogging is different: you’re writing for publication and editing your thoughts, rather than posting a stream of experiences.)

  19. I remember when MySpace was invented strictly for musicians, bands and perfomers. I checked it out once a long time ago, looked around for about 10 minutes and never went back.

    I keep FB for my art purposes.

    And it really is true that there always is art to be sold. I remember when I was doint Match about a year after I started cartooning; I’d get emails and messaged from other Match’ers asking me if I could design them this or that.

    SOmebody always has a way to find you and buy this or that.

    So I still don’t see what’s the big deal.

    And even if I was selling art to such an extent — guess what, I wouldn’t need to be looking for a job at all! I’d be supporting myself as an artist.

    Silly people, silly concerns. This is ambulance chasing. Ask yourself if you REALLY want to work for a company that has this funky little concern about you and your volume of art work. Heh.

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