The real immigration crisis no one is talking about

While we hear Trump’s rather creepy comments about illegalsĀ and Muslims, we don’t hear the real immigration problem. Sure, many illegals are taking jobs but they are taking jobs from the lower income part of society. That is a problem but not for everyone. With Muslims, yes many are coming for welfare and terrorism and taking jobs but in general we haven’t had all that much Muslim immigration throughout history. This is not to say neither situation is a problem but rather there is one that is overlooked: Indian immigration.

While I give Indians credit for being educated and having a very low rate of welfare usage (practically zero), especially compared to other groups, they are hurting our more educated. Like me. In the last 10 years (and yes I was actually employed while seeking a new job, and in fact I had been seeking a new job 2 years while working)I have applied at probably thousands, if not millions of jobs. I have lost track of how many actual interviews I had but no doubt it numbers in the hundreds. I’ve applied for anything really, even jobs I was extremely overqualified for. I’ve applied for every job I have fit to a t, every job I wasn’t sure I was qualified for, even jobs I felt I was unqualified for. The result? almost every job I had an interview for were the ones I wasn’t sure I was qualified for or those I felt I was under qualified. The jobs I fit to a T? Rarely did I get a call. Or I would get a phone interview if that. Honestly, I should have a job yet all I can seem to find lately are freelance jobs.

How does this tie into immigration? Well courtesy of search engines, social media and company websites I can usually find out who got the job. Almost every time I lost a job I found an Indian worker got it. I then see they graduated from an Indian university and it makes sense. Occasionally, I see other immigrants, like the one time I applied for a public relations job and that went to an immigrant from Brazil WHO COULD BARELY SPEAK ENGLISH. I know this because I saw her Linked-In profile and this was mentioned. Other times I lost to younger candidates but it has mostly been Indian candidates.

I have called various politicians and would you believe the Democratic Party actually told me it made sense because these are jobs needing to be filled? I told them they were jobs I could do and there was no reason to bring in visa workers. They used to be the party of the working class what happened? Ironically I called my then congressperson (a Republican)and his worker told me he was aware of the problem and working on it. Unfortunately my district was switched and our congressperson ended up being a leftwing crook who then went to prison and was taken over by a racist kook (racist as in she hates white people).

When does it get better for Americans? Why don’t people get that the visa workers move up the chain then hire more of their own, meaning less working Americans.

16 thoughts on “The real immigration crisis no one is talking about”

  1. The essential problem, for you, is that the Indian visa workers are willing to work for less, and under the terms of their visa, are less likely to leave their employers or otherwise make trouble.

    One of the uglier rites of spring in today’s US is the H1B visa rush. The government allocates 85,000 visas for foreign professionals per year, and every April, employers rush to claim them. Typically many more than 85,000 petitions are received in the space of about a week, and the government selects the winners by lottery.

    Beyond that, both Republicans and Democrats–at least the political donor class of both parties–believe that immigration is a good thing for the county, and want more, although I have yet to come across a cogent explanation of how that will actually be good for those of us who are already citizens.

    1. That’s exactly the problem they are usually paid less. However, I would be willing to lower my salary but they never give me that chance, They don’t give any Americans that chance. So they bring in them and it’s a problem across the board. It’s not just tech jobs either, I’ve read on how employers are bringing them in for jobs that already have a surplus of workers.

      The only way I can see immigration being a good thing is if an Entrepreneur immigrates and creates jobs, or someone with a specific skill. For example, Einstein immigrated here as did many business owners. Studies show this isn’t the case now, that in fact most immigrants today require welfare and are uneducated (Indians being the exception). I’m not sure how allowing in uneducated is a good thing, they’ll either take jobs our most needy have or will be welfare drains requiring people to pay more in taxes. Getting back to the business owners for a second, I don’t know the stats but do know many who start businesses hire their own too. How does that help Americans except for possibly more tax dollars?

      I’m leaving this field hopefully and waiting to see if I can get a scholarship for school. I found a 2 year counseling program at the college 7 miles away where I received my MA. Hoping this helps and the fact it’s either online, traditional classes or both (I’m taking online except for the internship which requires being at the counseling place).

    2. Ther is also the case of visaed worker EVERYTHING.

      The Filipinos did NOT work for less than we did in the lab.

      I have no idea why it was such a wonderful thing to import allied health care workers from overseas.

      They tend to stick together and they are themost reticent bunch of workers I have known. And most of them have 2 full time jobs!

      They work a 7-3 shift in one hospital and then they’re off to their second full time job from 4pm – midnight. Not fair to someone who may need one of those full time jobs.

      Reticent? And how: I remember none of them would complain when it was raise time. They shut their mouths and that was it.

      The visaed guest worker program must end.

      We have plenty of our own American trained personnel — and remember:

      If it can be transmitted via the interwebs, it can be outsourced.

      Indian radiologists are interpreting our radiology data and sending the information back via the web. Who needs to hire any more physician radiologist specialists???

      Although you need them on deck to interpret what’s there during 7 am to 3 pm… still, this mess has to end. NO imported/offshore workers of any kind.

      1. I once heard a great comment and it was what you said: if it’s a jobs that can be outsourced or visaed it will be. In other words many jobs are now done in other countries via the internet. Visa workers are a bit tricky because there are jobs that might (I stress MIGHT)have a shortage of American workers but many employers use this to a disadvantage. Americans are encouraged to do allied health jobs but like you said, it seems that most of those I see doing these jobs are foreign workers and most of these are jobs Americans can be trained on. At the same time all of this is going down tuition is going up and money for higher education is down. So you either have a situation like me, stuck with two worthless degrees (and unable to find a job in the fields I know)or someone who is stuck in low pay low wage jobs forever.

        Luckily I don’t have a family so there is a possibility I can afford grad school (again). There are also things like teaching assistant and the school is a state school and very inexpensive (I think full time is still less than $5,000 a semester). I looked into actual job rates and those are high (and they explained those who don’t find jobs usually don’t want them such as going for a doctorate). It’s a gamble, but at this point I don’t have a choice. I got rejected for disability because my diseases can be cured with medicine so there goes that idea. I am getting medical help which will make me healthy again and open me to other jobs I can do while in school.

    3. I know they also do not pay taxes or pay into Social Security.

      And here is another thing:

      Iwonder just how many techies, students, nurses and more that have purposely used school or a job to gain admission to this country — and once in our country, they show up for the job or school for a small bit…

      And then purposely vanish into the mist???

      We do not check visas. We never did.

      How many honest to goodness visitors do we have here who purposely permitted their visa to lapse — and purposely did it so they can live here for good?

      Food for thought.

      1. Many and the schools are bad too. I think I’ve mentioned this but in grad school I got rejected for a work study. I applied early and had the grades and so did my American friends. However, I later found out ALL of the work study jobs went to the foreign students, students who never paid in. Then they stay here and meet people who get them jobs. Several of these foreign students now work at the school as professors or admin jobs. It makes me mad and I have complained about it because it is discrimination. Plus how do we know who they are? Most aren’t from terrorist countries but that doesn’t mean much anymore.

  2. The H1B visa program is one of so-called “dual intent”: you can work for the company while pursuing citizenship, and you are expected to get at least a green card during the six years that you are eligible. I believe that the person sponsored under the H1B visa program is also bound to employment for the company that sponsored the H1B visa, though I would guess that they could transfer you within the company and can fire the H1B employee for non-performance. .

    Much of addiction treatment is AA and its various spinoffs, like Narcotics Anonymous. Your task as a counselor might not be so much “counseling” as sales, trying to persuade people to sign up for however many days of in- or out-patient rehab or argue with insurance companies to cover addiction treatment. Drug courts may either undermine or enhance employment prospects, depending on how the drug court is organized and what it expects from people diverted to drug court rather than prison. I would be surprised if Illinois is planning to spend significantly more money on addiction treatment in coming years.

    Consider that your view of “Companies that hire their own” is tainted by survivorship bias. Upwards of 70% of small companies fail, so it is possible that the minority-owned company pays below-market wages. I’ve joked about the “Chinese restaurant” employment model, where family members work without pay or very little pay to keep the business going.

    Having been out of work for a number of years makes it harder to get a full-time job. At least you are building up some sort of portfolio from your freelance work. Be sure to ask the college about placement rates and placement assistance. Your clinical internship will probably be unpaid.

    1. Before I do it, I’m going to sit down with a counselor and ask about job prospects, scholarships, etc. When i was considering teaching I went and talked to the head of the department who told me that teaching was hard now and he knows many who got the certificate and are now unemployed. He was honest in not wasting my time. Apparently there will be a rise in addictions, so this might mean more jobs but it could also be a smokescreen. People claim there is a rise in marketing jobs but I don’t see that. I don’t mind doing an unpaid internship if it means getting a foot in the door..

      Yeah there are a few Chinese restaurants here who hire their own, but it appears to be different with the Indian companies. Unlike the others, these aren’t small businesses, but businesses that hired H1-B then they rose in the ranks and got to hire. That bothers me because I have to wonder how many Americans would be hired if they didn’t hire the visa worker to begin with.

      Honestly, I’m not sure why I have had a hard time finding a job and even when I was employed full time I had a hard time finding another. It made no sense.

      1. Do you remember that outfit I worked for a long time ago — the one that was Chinese owned?

        Her website is pro-China this and pro-China that.

        Positively REVOLTING.

        There is a port on that website as a just in case…if you are Chinese and wish to gain admission here, by way of working for her! Wow — who over there is sponsoring these people???

        1. People with power such as political people or business leaders. If they like China so much why not go back? I’ll never get these foreign workers who hate us yet love our money. I had a professor who bashed Americans as stupid yet he was here instead of Nigeria. We all complained about him because he also didn’t have a set grading scale so you never know what grade you would get. You needed to get an A or B and if he liked you you would likely get a B. If you defended Americans or complained he gave you a C which meant you failed. I know several who failed because they questioned his policies and had to wait another year to graduate because his class was once a year.

  3. It might not purely be a case of number of addiction cases increasing, but of increased availability of treatment for addiction through Obamacare, which in turn increases the demand for addiction counselors.

    One of the questions that Dude asks fairly often is whether the job announcement is for a job where they have an actual immediate need to fill the job. About 20% of job announcements in DoD for engineers are cancelled for one reason or another, and applicants are never told why the job was not filled. Could it be worse, or the time to hire lengthened, in other fields?

    Another question is what the ratio of available jobs to the unemployed is. A rough proxy for this is the “quit rate”. The higher the quit rate, the higher the ratio will be, which is good for jobseekers.

    Addition of the next full-time position at a given rehab center is a further question. It is easier and cheaper to increase caseloads somewhat than to hire the next counselor. You may be misleading yourself to expect the sort of people in the rehab places that you encounter with your work with veterans, especially if you wind up working in a place with a large percentage of court-ordered people in rehab.

    1. Like I said I am looking into it because I know I have to retrain and anything medical seems the right thing. I know many addicts are dangerous and criminals which is why I’ll think this carefully.

  4. A consideration in medical fields is the need for shift work. After about the age of 40, it becomes much more difficult to work rotating shifts. I did almost four years of shift work (12-hour shifts) in chemical plants in two two-year stretches after the age of 40, and it took a lot out of me.

    I spoke with some nurses at the local hospital, and they work 12-hour shifts, though I don’t know whether they rotate from day to night and with what frequency. Working a sufficient number of hours to work 80 hours (actually 84) in seven days seems attractive at first, but I prefer four on, four off, three on, three off, rather than an arrangement that gives me seven days off in a row half of the time. Getting called into work during your days off for other people is also a risk if the rehab center has to be staffed round-the-clock.

    There is risk in training in jobs that appear to have high demand. My degree is in chemical engineering, which was great to have in 1980, but the oil market collapsed in 1981, and I don’t think that the industry ever entirely recovered. I had a career with the government, In retrospect, this wasn’t bad, though not what I desired, because I could retire at age 56 with about 47% of the average of my highest three consecutive years of earnings. plus whatever I saved in the 401(k) plan.

    I’m better with things than with people, so engineering was a good choice for me. Do you like dealing with people who have problems? Can you do it for 20 years, probably in a city far away from your family?

    1. I don’t mind working evening shifts, in fact I prefer it. I doubt I would have to travel far because I don’t live far from a major metropolitan city.

  5. Have you worked evening/night shifts previously, preferably for at least six months? If you haven’t, you don’t fully understand what shift work does to you. If nothing else, it puts you at odds with the major flow of life. You have also stated that you have seasonal health problems that might be worsened by shift work.

    Living relatively close to work is even more desirable when you are working a job that requires more than 8 hours per day. It was about 40 minutes from my front door to my office at my last job, so with the 30-minute unpaid lunch break and a 12-hour shift, it was just under 14 hours round trip. This leaves you with about enough time to do some personal care and sleep before getting up to go to work again. If you are on night shift, you will find that your memory is affected and you lose track of what day it is, because one week you might be working Sunday to Wednesday, and Monday to Wednesday another week (or Thursday to Sunday or Thursday to Saturday). The third night of four on night shift was always hardest for me

    It would be good if you could continue to live with your parents for a couple of years and save for a down payment on a house after you complete your training and get your job, but that might not be feasible. Working in a major city involves dealing with traffic and/or mass transit, so you might have a longer commute in terms of time than I did for my 50-mile round trip to work. That there was never any sort of traffic delay was what made the commute tolerable.

    Shift work was the easier part of my job, strange as that might seem with how negative my views seem concerning shift work. A problem at work was that there was no on-site cafeteria, so you brought your own lunch or didn’t eat because you were 10 miles from the nearest restaurant. I worked about two-thirds of the time on shift and a third of the time as 10-hour days in the office doing system testing for the plant. I knew when I was due to work, people came in on time to relieve me, and I had a regular routine.

    You adapt to shift work; it doesn’t accommodate you.

  6. Yes I had a shift job for years. In fact I prefer night time jobs. I live about 40 miles from a major city and used to commute there for jobs and for college so it’s not a big deal. I took the train and got there that way. My issues are things like arthritis and I am now taking medication for it and will take stronger.

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